can close this

[Brandon Blinn]

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[Elu Longin]

I see where you're coming from. Let me simply say this: what happened is personal matter between the persons involved. Such matters don't belong on a public board anyway. So if one of the two persons doesn't one to talk about to people who had nothing to do with it, then that's perfectly fine by me. This doesn't apply to just moderators. Personal matters are personal, it's up to the people involved how they deal with it.

You probably refer to Naicb's congratulations thread which turned into a flame thread, and therefore completely lost its purpose. So, I absolutely agree it should be closed then. Also, the topic discussed there was the same personal matter I just mentioned above. Again, it's Naicb's decision how to deal with it. He does not owe you or anyone else in this board an explanation.

[Strazdas]

well yes. they are given such power by owners of website to use at thier discretion, so they are allowed to close threads. now whether it is right or wrong is different matter and depends purely on situation. please remember that this is not democracy, they own the site, they do what they want with it.
also i would second elu, the naicb congratulations thread was closed rightfully, though i would have wanted to add a comment on it, but it doesnt matter.

also something i noticed: there were a total of 10 posts that has been posted at least once in within a month.

[Trithaithus]

It was a discussion of public interest nevertheless and surpressing it sure goes by censorship. And while I don't imply that Tibianews isn't allowed to censor around on their board, I strongly suggest you start growing enough balls to name it such. Everything else is just pathetic and ridiculous.

[Tim]

Nah I agree that a moderator should have given a warning to get back on topic instead of immediatly closing a thread. If you want to know what happened just make a thread and ask politly, if they close it then, then it is censorship.

[Dark Naicb]

Nah I agree that a moderator should have given a warning to get back on topic instead of immediatly closing a thread. If you want to know what happened just make a thread and ask politly, if they close it then, then it is censorship.

A warning was given

[Tim]

I checked it and it did happen so Naicb was completely right to close the thread. He told people to get back on topic, they should have listened at that point or expect their thread to be closed. That would have been no different in Excessus time.

[Trithaithus]

I checked it and it did happen so Naicb was completely right to close the thread. He told people to get back on topic, they should have listened at that point or expect their thread to be closed. That would have been no different in Excessus time.

I sure hope you don't believe what you say.

How is it less censorship if you're asked to shut up before being made shut up? That deprives any logic. Same goes for the off topic argument, which is crap in and by itself. There were numerous posts not on topic if you define the topic as being "Naicb playing Tibia for 5 years and advancing to level 100", including my own post, your own post and Dark Naicbs own post. They only fit under a topic called "Dark Naicb", which was the whole purpouse of the thread to begin with: He wanted to see himself praised. Oh, and it turned out the wrong way. I'm so sorry to see...

If you start a thread with the purpouse of being praised, how is it off-topic if it turns out that there ain't much praise coming around?

And seriously, how can you even meddle with a thread as a moderator if that thread is about you? The notion of not acting if you're in a conflict of interest didn't make it into modern law systems without any reason, you know.

Thank god, that you checked. Without your wise judgement, we'd be ruined. And it's also awesome that you can speak for Ex, he really needed a representative like you.

[Tim]

In this lovely world every community has his own rules and laws, just like the big countries out there. When you do not follow the law, because for example you are hateful towards another you are locked up in prison. Maybe not in the US, but in Holland you are shut up for being hateful. This community has it's own rules and if you want to call acting as you say you will act censorship, then yes, it is censorship. If you can't take it, go somewhere else.

Also, at some point I just stopped caring whether Naicb was right or wrong, at some point all I could care about is that childish people love bashing Naicb and flaming everything he does. Is that how you want people to act towards you?

I'm not trying to represent Ex, I just think one of the reasons things ended up so wrong around here is also because of kids like you who love to irritate others instead of having an enjoyable conversation.

[Elu Longin]

Trith, I suppose you have a different opinion about this, but in my opinion you can't compare a forum with real life. This is place to discuss limited subjects, this isn't a chatbox nor an announce board. Different rules apply here. One rule that is kind of "holy" to me, is that a forum is NOT a place to discuss personal issues. We discuss topics here, not persons. If a person wants to himself to be discussed, or allows it, then that's okey. But if other people start to discuss personal issues related to him, he is in NO way obliged to follow and give any explanation or reasons or whatsoever. We have a PM function for a reason. Use that instead of discussing it here. Because this is not the place.

Why I'm so strong about this? Posts on a forum have the tendency of being easily misunderstood. Plus, you are forced to react quickly. Because if you don't, people will go on and on and it will just turn worse. And when it comes to personal issues, you should have the chance to overthink your reaction. A forum doesn't give this option.

[Elwen]

There's a reason why bullying people, racism, discrimination, insults, etc are not allowed IRL or on forums.
The laws/guidelines are here to protect people from these attacks. There's no sence in anarachy on a public forum.

I don't always like the way Naicb acts, but there's 10+ people who've been hating on him for over a year now. That doesn't feel very fair to me at all.

And it's getting old, I've even forgotten why I disliked him in the first place..

They say time heals all wounds, right?
Elwen~

[Tommer]

I believe we've had this discussion before in some other topic. But I forgot when and where.

[Trithaithus]

Trith, I suppose you have a different opinion about this, but in my opinion you can't compare a forum with real life. This is place to discuss limited subjects, this isn't a chatbox nor an announce board. Different rules apply here. One rule that is kind of "holy" to me, is that a forum is NOT a place to discuss personal issues. We discuss topics here, not persons. If a person wants to himself to be discussed, or allows it, then that's okey. But if other people start to discuss personal issues related to him, he is in NO way obliged to follow and give any explanation or reasons or whatsoever. We have a PM function for a reason. Use that instead of discussing it here. Because this is not the place.

Why I'm so strong about this? Posts on a forum have the tendency of being easily misunderstood. Plus, you are forced to react quickly. Because if you don't, people will go on and on and it will just turn worse. And when it comes to personal issues, you should have the chance to overthink your reaction. A forum doesn't give this option.

With all due respect, Elu, but: He brought that upon himself, he wanted that talk about him. And, he took part in it. This isn't even so much a "personal issue" as you imply. Same goes for the "bullying" argument. He wasn't bullied. There was some inappopriate language, but that's all you can find in the thread.

And let's simply face it:
There was some dirt coming up considering him. And he stopped it. He surpressed a truth-finding process, simple as that. In my opinion that's abusive.

Whilst I honour your approach of having a topic-based and violent-free communication on this forum, you will have to realize that it's not true in the end: People do not stop their communication on the fact-layer, they go deeper and it concerns people and relationships in the end.

Considering the point of 'making things worse if you let them go on': Not true either. I mean, the worst fights are the ones you never get to sort out. In the long run you're worsening every problem by disallowing it to be sorted out.

[Zanko]

In the long run you're worsening every problem by disallowing it to be sorted out.

That is actually a perfect description of what's been happening on TibiaNews for the past few years.

[Elu Longin]

Trith, the bullying (not really the right word, but can't think of a better one) has been going on much much longer before this one thread. Naicb has been a target ever since he became a moderator. And no, he didn't deserve it.