Who wants OUR Tibia back?

[Blamina]

There are some guides out there. I notice very often in help channel that players are too lazy to use the browser, to google or even to search something in tibiawiki. And that's not a language problem. All resources already exist in the most common languages on different fansites. Reasons I heard from said players for that behaviour: "I have no time, I have to exp", "this is help channel so help me", "I can't concentrate on/understand longer text", "tutor, I want a tutor to answer, you are no tutor".

Oh and concerning the bots: check this thread about a guild that has 100% botters in it: The best guild on Harmonia! Infinnity - botters.

One of the botter posts: "Botter irl: chatting with his gf on the phone, making dinner, doing some workout outdoors. When he comes home, he chats with friends on vent and then they go to have some fun on poi check without worrying about cash and things like that.

You irl: sitting in front of your computer, throwing your virtual coins on virtual corpses hoping to get some more virtual money, which will not make you any richer eventually. Then you start to post some shit on forum, hoping that someone will care about you. And in the end, noone does.

now tell me - who looks more pathetic?"

I hear this excuse since years. The error is, that someone who plays fair not necessarily plays all day long. But the botters can't even imagine not to play Tibia, they can't imagine not be level 200+ and so on. They are not clever enough and just not interested in thinking about the consequences of botting for the entire game.

[The little one]

Most of the people I've helped on the Help channel recently I don't think knew of those resources, or some of the questions just weren't on sites like tibiawikia. One girl asked about the "color" event going on right now and I explained the basics of it and pointed her to go read about it more on the Tibia home page and she seemed quite thankful for me pointing her in that direction. But that's not to say all people are grateful, some are unfortunately rude and lazy.

I've heard that excuse, but you really don't have to spend that long playing Tibia to be successful and enjoy it. You don't have to spend days on end logged in. If I'm not super busy that day, I log in for the two hours of 50% extra experience from Premmy and hunt during that time. I make good progress, probably better than some level 38 bot who is botting goblins mindlessly. I happen to multi task alot while manasitting. I'll watch documentaries on Netflix, work on homework, draw, work on sewing or just even just sitting around chatting with friends. There's nothing wrong with that. How many hours do people sit around watching mindless shows like "Keeping up with the Kardashians" or "Jersey Shore"? I'll take Tibia any day, at least you are being a productive part of a community, online or not.

Botters feel some need to be "better" on a game they don't even play, to be a nuisance to other players who are just trying to enjoy themselves. That's disgusting.

[Strazdas]

I remember the once was a guy that would come to help channel to ask questions almost every day. and his questions were fine ones so it wasnt relaly a problem. but he was like "your not a tutor i dont believe you" and so on. and it so happen that i have became a tutor few days after his replies like that (the one of 2 times i had been a tutor) and when he saw me write in orage he went mad like "omg i didnt knew you were sorry" and so on. the text color does affect those poor souls, but i always tried to help regardless of my status and couple times got pmed by tutors to leave the chanel because i wasnt a tutor. obviuolsy i didnt
however it is understnadable that they would rather ask than read wikia. altrough this si not great example becuase online ones have search, woudl you rather ask a friend something or go and search 1000 pages encyclopedia for an hour to get same answer? thats what happens with wikia aswell. not everyone wants to spend time studying. and of course there are those with atttention span of a squarrel.

as for that thread, thats pretty realistic if you ask me. botters dont sit around their computer watching the bots. they do stuff in real life. however i dont really see the point in playing the game at all this way. if you bot so you dont ahve to sit and play the game, why but instead of just quitting the game. its not like your having fun from the game anyway. unless they think thier computers have feelings, but thats a psychology topic. All games, not only tibia, should be played because they are fun to do so. if your botting, that fun dissapears (though one could argue that your botting the "boring" part and then keep the fun "random pking" part, but if random killing is your fun you should seek help)

[Blamina]

It's optional pvp but yes that botter guild tries to challenge other guilds for war. And yes they use bots in war but they failed last time though. The short time they play per day they complain about being bored. And you're completely right, if they are bored the whole time, why the hell don't they just quit? They have more than one account/character that bots. Far more. They sell the botted items for ingame gold and bragg about it on World Chat and English Chat. They sell the gold for rl money. They buy more accounts. They do not play at all it's some kind of side job for them. I once told an account trader I would be like an ingame priest now (only that evening) and he could confess his ingame sins. I didn't report him, I really want to know why people are like they are. He said he wants to sell that account to buy a car.

Edit: A tiny example for that on our world board: CHOCHLIK bot+ char buyer. Said Chochlik is a very bad singer, who once was held up to ridicule by not botting players with his singing skills on youtube and world board. And at this point I usually think it's a waste of time to hang around in the internet at all.

Edit the second: I think this thread of the antican world board was in our shortnews not long ago... The threat for Antica it's about this topic, mainly about the community part.

[Chazys]

that guy is intresting, and im glad he got the bad bot users. (im saying bad becuase people who know how to use it wouldnt get trapped and the bot automatically takes screenshot on death so they woul hunt him down regardless, so this is still a very dangeriuos situation)

After watching several time his videos I decided to try by myself at a Open-PvP server - Arcania.

I was hunting with my Knight for 15 at Orcs, underneath Thais King's Castle, and there was this guy named Knight Viva. He would not kill my monsters but he would always do the same path, over and over. And when I were to stand in fronto of him or force him to move somewhere else, he would go back to the same path. He probably had waypoints - aye?

So I trapped him using to God Flowers - taken from the Church's coffins - and two Troughs - taken from the Castle. Firstly, I place two of those items in a 2-square-meter passage, south from the Orc Shaman (the one near the Greenshore Draon). He would not come over it, so it turn around and go all the back to reach that place. Then I placed one trough at another 2-square-meter passage, just east from the same respawn and left a God Flower nearby. He would only enter that place if there were monsters so I took a few steps back and waited. Couple minutes later he entred that area to kill the Orcs and I trapped him in there.

Then he would go quite close to the Greenshore Dragon ladder, use a food, wait and come back to his way point. I knew: he was completely trapped and AFK. Just took me 4 minutes to push him under the ladder, rope him and push him about 8 square meters into the Dragon's respawn. Then I and my brave level 14 Knight - at the time - lured the Dragon on him. He got killed, I went up (because creatures that lose target retreat to their respawn and took his loot.

About 1.000 gold pieces and Fur Boots.

Even though I took too much time to leave and his friend found me and killed - could not heal and run! - he then got pursued and finally threw his EQ on the floor knowing he would die. He did die.

Results: 1.500 gold pieces, a Fur Boots and a Boots of Haste.

Guess I profited!

Bônus: I killed his bot knight again, the same way I did before and got a Steel Helmet plus 300~ gold pieces.

\õ/

[Blamina]

They walk over everything now and through field and wall runes on optional-pvp. Only way we could trap and rope a botter was by a wall of players. But I bet some walk through players.

[Chazys]

They walk over everything now and through field and wall runes on optional-pvp. Only way we could trap and rope a botter was by a wall of players. But I bet some walk through players.

Actually, no.

The bot must be told to do that, considering not every one knows how to write their commands, most bots, wheter or not Optional, do not walk over God Flowers. They may destroy Troughs and other furniture that cannot be walked over, but most do not do that. The ones that break through everything and are almost impossible to be blocked are those sold scripts or if the player actually knows how to write good scripts.

At the very best, you can try one thing I sar at 1NpcKiller videos:

Take 4 God Flowers and two dead corpses - whatever corpses - and place them like this in a 2-square-meter passage:

Wall |God Flower God Flower| Wall
Wall | Corpse Corpse | Wall
Wall |God Flower God Flower| Wall

Then use Animate Dead Rune on the Corpses. They would be your summons, therefore they cannot be attacked because you are in a Optional PvP server - it works on Open PvP servers too. And if the botter does not walk over the flowers, they will not walk through your summons. Plus, your summons will not follow you, ruining the block.

Then, when it get stuck because it cannot reach the next waypoint, just push the bot to wherever you think it is best, you may even leave it at a certain place where nothing respawns or puch it out of the dungeon so it will not come back.

[Strazdas]

CHOCHLIK bot+ char buyer. Said Chochlik is a very bad singer, who once was held up to ridicule by not botting players with his singing skills on youtube and world board.

polish
polish
polish
polish
100% tru story
polish
polish
polish
is about how much i udnerstood.

After watching several time his videos I decided to try by myself at a Open-PvP server - Arcania.<...>

Wery well done in that one. though i msy say he was using one of the "bad" bots or using the "Tibia map" method if he couldnt walk over godflowers. but thats beside the point, most people do that anyway. it is nice that you profited, but he will get that back in the time you will sleep tonight, there is no "loss" for him really, just have to do some rl stuff for 1 day longer. and we dont have enough normal players to do this efficiency enough. especially not to a higher level players.

he then got pursued and finally threw his EQ on the floor knowing he would die. He did die.

what a idiot. isntead of 5% change of loosing eq he made it 100% chance.

They walk over everything now and through field and wall runes on optional-pvp. Only way we could trap and rope a botter was by a wall of players. But I bet some walk through players.

Thansk to cipsoft they can walk though players on optional-pvp now.

The bot must be told to do that, considering not every one knows how to write their commands, most bots, wheter or not Optional, do not walk over God Flowers.

Third bot by popularity (and that depends on amoutn of bot donwloads) acutally walks over godflowers and players (on optional pvp) by default.

They may destroy Troughs and other furniture that cannot be walked over, but most do not do that. The ones that break through everything and are almost impossible to be blocked are those sold scripts or if the player actually knows how to write good scripts.

Yes, breaking thougs require you to have a script designed to do that. it is possible to bot in cave and break though/walk over anything totally free. people that buy those scripts are idiots. then again, we got a lot of them in tibia.

Then use Animate Dead Rune on the Corpses. They would be your summons, therefore they cannot be attacked because you are in a Optional PvP server - it works on Open PvP servers too. And if the botter does not walk over the flowers, they will not walk through your summons. Plus, your summons will not follow you, ruining the block.

This is very intresting and smart way of trapping them. however i have seen more often than not buts set to attack "all monsters" which usually include summons. though i havent tested that so i cant be certain.

Then, when it get stuck because it cannot reach the next waypoint, just push the bot to wherever you think it is best, you may even leave it at a certain place where nothing respawns or puch it out of the dungeon so it will not come back.

if it has any reach-able waypoint it will return to it if pushed from it, so when trapping you have to make sure he doesnt have waypoint inside the trap.

[Blamina]

Strazdas, yes I already complained about our world board being 98% Polish.

I haven't tried that god flower thing yet, mainly because I don't have that much time at hand. Strazdas is right that it doesn't affect a botter much if I kill him/her/it but it takes my time.

[ajedproduction]

havent played tibia in years and dont intend do again

[Ja nie]

i too used to want old tibia back. then you grow up to like the new one. oh, and then you quit and never come back.

[Strazdas]

skip the liking new one part and your right.

[Trashy Rashy]

This entire discussion about botters makes me hawt. I wanna join.

There are two legit arguments. One that botting is against the rules. No one disagrees with that and even botters recognize the rules.
The other is that Tibia is way too boring to play manually, as you spend most of your time doing brain-dead work.

It is all about how you decide to value these two factors in. But what should be remembered is that if you spend equally much time on Tibia when botting rather than when not botting, you have lost the point.
You should also recognize that there is morally nothing wrong with botting. Using an argument of that magnitude is wrong. What can be achieved with botting can be achieved without botting and in most cases, it is what the player decides to do with his character which can be morally wrong.

[Strazdas]

let me ask you how it is possible to achieve without botting 24/7 uptime for a week while playing 8 characters at the same time, while all of them having perfect aim and reaction is killing people who actually play manual during thier time?

[Trashy Rashy]

You have mistrusted my words. I have not claimed that a manual player can play as steadily as often as a botting player. I have not claimed that it is as easy for them both.

But if you point to a player on the high-score page, there is virtually NOTHING which declares that player a botter. He could aswell be a manual player. Hence, a player who plays normally can achieve what a botting player can achieve. There are no limits set to both based on how they gain experience.