Trashy Rashy wrote: This is not a pvp game where botting gives you an advantage above another player in combat.
Trashy Rashy wrote:What gives advantage are levels, which can be obtained by botting and by manual labor.
Trashy Rashy wrote: You can argue that most botters are higher levels but this is not an argument of practice but an argument of theory.
Trashy Rashy wrote:Even though many high level players might be botters it is not that which is morally wrong. When a player powerabuses he might have botting behind him supporting with levels, but it could aswell be manual leveling. He is not a bad player because he bots, but rather because he abuses his power.
Trashy Rashy wrote:He can have 1000K more supplies and 100 more levels. He can have done a farming quest in a day, while you are still working on it after a month. The question is, is it fun? If both of you are enjoying it, what is the problem? You obviously disagree on what is fun but there is nothing which says both of you cant have yours.
Trashy Rashy wrote:To address the goal of Tibia, to be the highest level, I disagree. There is no official race or point to Tibia.
Trashy Rashy wrote:It is what you make up yourself which matters. If you really want to be the highest level in Tibia, I will not only feel sorry for you but I will admit that a botter will have a HUGE advantage.
Trashy Rashy wrote:If I decide to bot because I think level 8-80 are EXTREMELY boring. What would be wrong of me? You perhaps enjoy leveling 8-80 and I will let you do so. But what should hinder my enjoyment because we do not share it?
Strazdas wrote:Altrough tibia is not pvp-only game, bot gives you many advantages over another palyer in combat.
Yes, it is possible to obtain levels by manual labour, slower, harder and with more risk.
Strazdas wrote:And yet in this case theory is correct. If you would argue that the person does not bot until it is proven, then we would have to assume there is almost no botters in tibia at all, because cipsoft punish very little part of the tibia community, which would be completely false.
Strazdas wrote:Altrough i can see the logic behind this, and i would agree, botting is against the rules, and breaking rules is morraly wrong whicever way you look at it.
Strazdas wrote:The problem is, that botters gaining supplies and levels dont consider the quests fun or have done them already, thus pushed by thier boredom they make thier fun by ruining ours, and since he is using things obtained via bot to do killing which is caused by boredom brought with botting botting is indiretly at fault for player killer increase whichever way you look at it. if botters do not consider this game fun, then why play it?
Strazdas wrote: If your logic is, that everyone should do whats "fun" for them, no matter the rules or it being right/wrong, then we would go back to barbarism as a society.
Strazdas wrote:The race that gives most immersion for people is the race between people. they dont race to a point. they race to be "better" than others, and if they fail to be better they will use programs that will make thier character "better" thus the race becomes unfair for people who do not use them. cisoft tried to help them (see - cipbot (hotkeys)) but it has given only so much results while otherwise ruining the pvp system that tibia had.
Strazdas wrote:so you feel sorry for people who wants to be highest level and tnhe go tell that the only thing that matters is what we want of the game, therefore by your logic you codemn people that play the game for levels while at the same time saying its their choice? So its ok for a botter to have advantace in a part of a game which you dont care about simply because you dont care about it? not to mention that botter will ruin your part of game, say, roleplaying, with their botter high levels.
Strazdas wrote:so by that logic you should instantly start with level 80 because your not going to play untill that point anyway. which would be all fine in a singleplayer game. however in multiplayer game everyone should have to climb though same or similar (depending on your cohices in game amongst other things) mountains to reach our goals. if you do not like leveling, then dont. play a game where you dont have to. but as long as you play this game, follow its rules, becuase your not only making it more fun for you, your also making it less fun for others.
Strazdas wrote:then again, you call CS more challenging and fun game, so why i even bother replying....
Trashy Rashy wrote:However, I disagree that this statement is of any importance. It is not the botting which destorys your fun, it is the power abusing.
NO! ABSOLUTELY NOT!
This kind of thinking has led humans to nothing but bad. STOP PLEASE.
What is different from other mammals compared to us Homo Sapiens Sapiens, is that we can describe our thinking in a collective way. It is what WE think which matters, and every individual can think for himself. If you follow your laws plainly because they are laws, you are a scrimp.
Clever men, know better.
There is nothing which indicates that botters in particular destroy the game for others.
What I have been trying to state this entire time is that botting IS NOT directly a result of causing harm nor does it directly result in causing harm. It will remain this way in this discussion UNTIL proven or argumented for otherwise.
I have not ONCE said that anyone should have the intention of harming anyone else. I have just said that having fun is not a crime, and I have specifically mentioned that it does not include ruining others.
Why do you think wanking is legal, but wanking in public is illegal? Because that laws, just as me, are in favor of people doing what they find fun. But not in favor for people doing what harms others.
If you truly intend to race for the #1 level spot. You are (a) sad, (b)playing the wrong game and (3)stupid for being surprised that if others share your opinion, botting is bound to exist in this game.
Not once have I said that I think it is both wrong and right to do something. I have just said that I think it is OK to do something... and that I think it is stupid that they do this.
Also, in which possibly way does botting destroy RP? OK if a botter is actually botting in the area of your RP'ing.
Did you refer to a botted player? In that case, as mentioned previously. Is he doing wrong as a botter or as an event ruiner?
Tibia is a singleplayer game for most of the part.
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